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tale of survival 17 days after the garment factory collapse a woman is found alive. at arlington national cemetery britain's prince harry who served in afghanistan pays tribute to america's fallen. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live from washington. ohio authorities will throw everything they've got at cleveland kidnapping suspect ariel castro. he could face the death penalty. let's get right to nbc's craig melvin. craig, you've got breaking news now for us, the dna testing? >> reporter: we found out a short time ago that the dna testing on 52-year-old ariel castro has been completed, based on the results we can confirm according to police that castro is the father of that 6-year-old girl who was born in the house just behind me. amanda berry's daughter. they also took castro's dna and they compared that dna to other missing persons cases in ohio. we can tell awe cording to police that it's come up
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negative at this point. he's not connected to any other missing persons case at this point. they are running that same dna through the national database to find out whether castro could be connected to any missing persons, any of the missing persons cases throughout this country. you mentioned the death penalty being on the table. we found out during a news conference from the cuyahoga county prosecutor that was something he was looking at, he was going to use the fact that castro was responsible for at least five miscarriages, but we talked to someone who is close to the investigation who did indicate that this very well could not, it may not go to trial. one of the reasons being for all intents and purposes it appears at this point he is cooperating with investigators. there's the suicide note in terms of evidence. there's also the interrogation that our affiliate has been reporting on in terms of evidence. there is this mountain of evidence that is starting to
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emerge and they may be using the death penalty as leverage in this case is what we're being told. >> thanks so much, craig melvin, thanks for all that. in washington, republicans are leveling new charges at the state department over benghazi accusing the department of sanitizing the talking points to protect hillary clinton. what's the real story in joining know for our daily fix, chris and kelly. kelly, you're reporting today, we've been going over e-mails and talking to state department officials and members of congress. the issue here is whether or not republicans are focusing on one part of the rewriting of those talking points. just to try to zero in on hillary clinton rather than all of the e-mails which the state department now is saying put it all out there. >> that's going to be the issue.
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will it come out? 100 e-mails were provided by the white house that reflect conversations internally when the talking points were being crafted for ambassador susan rice when she appeared on television. >> let me interrupt you. initially the talking points were being crafted -- >> any members. >> the house members. post petraeus briefings, what are we going to say when we come out. from the get-go victoria nuland was told you can only go out and say the fbi is investigating. she's at the podium saying it's under investigation, we can't say anything more. dutch rupersberger says we need to have something to say when we come out of this briefing with petraeus. they work on the talking points long before it was decided susan rice would go on camera. >> they completed them before she appeared on television but lawmakers who had been in classified settings wanted to talk appropriately what they
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could say. that is the genesis of the talking points. there were 12 iterations of the talking points. change from one was a word change, moving a word around, but from point a to the end there were significant changes. the orange talking points included descriptions of past warnings of other events that they believe were terrorist against foreign entities including the british in libya and maybe the most important thing, it said very ex-police italy that they, they meaning the administration believed that this was a terror attack, the cia analysis, the intelligence analysis that it was a cia attack, that did not appear in the end. what we've learned in some of the negotiations, if you will, over e-mail, victoria nuland and jake sullivan of the state department raised concerns and said some things according to our sources who reviewed those e-mails, concern about naming an al qaeda affiliate before they were able to talk about that publicly, concerns about how it might be played politically on
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the hill, one phrase was "beat the state department for not taking heed of early warnings" those kinds of things and in the end a source tells me that cia director at that time david petraeus received the final version, looked at it and said "just as soon not use it. it doesn't even include that we had warned about what was going to happen in cairo," those other events. >> from the state department, chris, their perspective is, this is one of the e-mails, nuland writing on friday, as the bodies were coming back and hillary clinton and the president were at andrews air force base, "why are we encouraging members of congress to start making assertions to the media that we ourselves are not making to press the investigation"? the cia by emphasizing these prior warnings was trying to exonerate itself and blame the state department. at the same time nuland pointed
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out to colleagues she was not involved in saturday in the final rewriting that happened at the white house, which is when they first started saying let's put susan rice out there, when these talking points became more controversial. >> what you're seeing and what you and kelly have reported, you're seeing a little bit of what always goes on. everyone is watching to see well is the cia looking to blame the state department and the state department the cia? this stuff usually doesn't surface but in situations as high profile as benghazi and many, many other as you both know better than i in congress, everywhere else, this is the sort of thing that happens. i think going forward the question is this, andrea. was this a mishandling, was it a benign mishandling, it was not handled property, certain people weren't talking to the right people or, and this is the calculus that republicans insist was going on here, was this a
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purposeful misleading of the american public during an election year? that's the nub of it. sorry, go ahead. >> adding one point to that what was acknowledged in the independent review board acknowledged by the state department was there a total screwup in terms of not properly securing this outpost. it was not a consulate. it was a mission. it was really there to get intelligence, there was a cia outpost. what was the point there, and it was interesting testimony that's kind of been ignored from the hearings two days ago the reason chris stevens the ambassador was going was to look at benghazi, a place he had been in for months before he was ambassador when he was the representative there during the war, which he believed could be made safe, was he going there because hillary clinton wanted to go there before she left office to see if it could be safe enough for the
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secretary of state. bottom line they ignored all the warnings in a series of cables which they've acknowledge. >> there's no mystery about that. the details we're finding out give us more of the how do you manage the information, which again is part of what they always do but it raises the question, were there political considerations or were there considerations of don't let the information get ahead of what they actually know. >> i would just quickly, separating politics from policy is almost always impossible, web something becomes as high profile as this it's virtually impossible. add to the mix hillary clinton was involved here and obviously someone seen as a potential presidential -- we have not heard the last of this, certainly politically, policy wise. >> karl rove is out with an advertisement on it. chris we'll see you in a second and kelly thank you so much. see you later in the show. actress robin wright is here, but first -- ♪ [ "taps" ].
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>> britain's prince harry this morning at arlington. he laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknowns and also visited section 60 of the cemetery. of course that is the area of arlington where service members who lost their lives in iraq and afghanistan are buried. prince harry served as a helicopter pilot in afghanistan. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. a programmable thermostat, very smart, saves money.
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a. let's get something very clear, i run the organization.
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you work for it. >> our agreement is an affiliation, claire. worldwell isn't your very willin vessel. >> yes it is entirely. >> that's not what you proposed six months ago. >> it's what you signed up when you signed the contract. >> there was a good faith understanding -- >> you dissolved that good faith by disobeying you. >> disobeying you? >> yes. >> she's tough, as claire underwood in the netflix "house of cards" robin wright plays a ruthless politician's wife and philanthropist. in real life the actress, robin wright is a tireless advocate for human rights in the congo where decades long humanitarian crisis has killed more than 5 million people leaving millions of women particular victims of sexual violence. joining me is robin wright with the raise hope for congo
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campaign and campaign manager j.d. steer. robin, how did you get involved in your work on behalf of the congo? >> when i first learned that my phone was and does contain minerals that was fueling rape and war in eastern congo, i just felt it was my duty to act. >> and tell us more about that connection. >> when i got involved with the raise help for congo campaign i didn't understand why these women were being raped, what was going on, on the ground and i was told that minerals that come out of this country are literally fueling war. we are purchasing, we the consumers are purchasing these minerals, and i thought why not get on board somehow be the voice for the congolese people and travel to congo, meet these
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grassroots leaders and try to garner more attention for them, be their mega phone, be their voice. >> j.d., what is the united states doing diplomatically to help fight the scourge? >> when we traveled to the congo with the raise hope for congo campaign we partnered with grassroots leaders, congolese and international activist are saying no more to electronics that fund rape and war. the u.s. government has been a leading partner in public and private alliances setting up conflict free models in eastern congo. congo's vast resources can help to build communities and fund education and health. >> robin, what more would you like to see the obama administration do? >> well, as senator kerry, he
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led addressing conflict minerals and piece in the congo and now as secretary of state we have great hopes for peace with his help. >> with all of the other involvements that we have overseas and syria, and the middle east and all of his travel and worries about north korea how do you get the american people, consumers and others just to care about what's happening in congo? >> these last couple of years the rapid response of u.s. consumers and voters, we've seen a rapidly growing movement for peace in congo that spans well beyond electronics. i'm hopeful that my former home state senator russ feingold is a person for the job. we have high hopes the white house and john kerry's state department will oversee the peace process. >> what about the women? the state department, robin, has a real focus which hillary clinton started on women in
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these conflict zones, women need protection, and they need it a lot faster than diplomacy and slow negotiations can help. >> exactly. which is why we need this envoy implemented so that they have protection on the ground to help these women, that what was beautiful about meeting them is they have such hope, there's such a glimmer in their eye that they will have a future, and when hillary traveled to the congo, she came back to america and said to our people, this is the unfinished business of the 21st century. this cannot continue. every 48 minutes a woman is raped, because of a mineral that is in our cell phones and computers that we use on a daily basis. >> we need both diplomatic and aid responses and robin's been highly supportive of grassroots efforts, women to women international where they're delivering aid on the ground and we here back in d.c. are fighting for policy solutions
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which is increasingly picking up speed in d.c.. >> jd stier and robyn wright thank you for bringing this to our attention. >> thank you. and after a quick break, chris will take the chair. i'm off to moderate the first ever google plus hangout with secretary of state john kerry. watch it live on the state department's google plus page and right here on msnbc. time for the entrepreneur of the week. alex garza of dallas runs four pizza patrone franchises. garza says latino customers are attracted by the friendly bilingual staff and his products' unique favors like a jalapeno mixed pizza. a we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost.
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we know our present system is broken. we know the status quo is
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unacceptable, but we also know that there are many who will want to kill this bill. i would ask my colleagues if you don't agree with everything, no one does. be constructive. we are open to changes, but don't make an effort to kill a bill that is the best hope for immigration reform i believe that we've had in this country and frankly the best hope that help break the bipartisan, the partisan gridlock that has strangled the senate, the congress, and the country. >> that was new york senator chuck schumer and the latest front in the battle of immigration reform. the gang of eight bill had its first outing in the senate and survived nearly 300 republican amendments that could have killed it. just kidding. alan gomez and back with ruth, who joins us for the first time today my colleague.
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>> feels like i'm always here. >> i think of you often but joining us ruth marcus. alan, i think for the average person they say 300 amendments offer 32 amendments agreed to, this is a process that we expected, tell us what we should take from what happened on the hill yesterday as it relates to the broader chances, some kind of comprehensive immigration reform bill passing. >> yesterday was the first day of what's going to be several hearings to hear all of those amendments and what they did yesterday was take up the board of security portions of the bill, so what you saw yesterday was the committee embracing a lot of republican amendments and bringing them on board, immediately afterwards hearing members of the gang of eight pushing this bill saying look we're including these, look how we're listening to the other side, at the same time there are four members on the committee
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part of the broader gang of eight and they manage to resist any bills that would really as they term poison pills, things that would blow this out. >> and in a way if you wanted comprehensive, if you want comprehensive immigration reform, yesterday was probably a good day in that none of those amendments made it. there were republican amendments added as you point out. ted krus, texas republican senator has been outspoken about this bill and outspoken in general. this is what he had to say about the committee votes, we'll come back and talk to ruth about it. >> the majority has the votes on this committee to vote down every minority amendment or virtually every minority amendment if it so chooses. i hope the majority does not take that approach. we have seen that approach in prior instances, and that's not an approach that in my view leads to passing a bill. >> now there were amendments as
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alan noted that were agreed to that were added. is it enough for ted cruz again, this bill, democrats insist, has to have a path to citizenship resisted by some conservatives, notably not marco rubio, member of the gang of eight. is this enough bipartisanship to get a big vote? is there going to be enough bipartisanship to get a big yes on this and send it to the house? >> that remains to be seen. senator cruz i think is exactly right, there are the votes in the committee so we need to go through this process and it's a healthy process, democratic process and have the regular order in the committee but we're not going to have a sense of how big the number of votes are, is it 60, is it 70, until it gets to the floor and until you see whether some of the poison pill amendments, where they stand. i do think it's a little bit rich for senator cruz to be arguing that majority should accept some republican amendments, when his whole goal
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is really to torpedo the bill by making sure there is no path to citizenship. >> i would add just briefly, what we heard from chuck schumer is fascinating. alan you've been covering this. there are not a lot of places in congress in the last four to six years as least where we can say this is at least now bipartisan. it's held this long. is there one thing we should watch out for that can break it up? >> one thing. >> now you have within hour to answer that. >> several things, the difficulty when you have such a large bill like this. >> comprehensive. >> exactly, there's so many areas that could blow up but at the same time it provides a lot of opportunities for people to jump on, so a lot of conservatives are reaching out to republicans in the senate, for example orrin hatch is
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interesting in bringing more high-tech workers, you look at senator hova in north dakota interested in bringing agriculture workers. >> that's the benefit of it. the danger is it gets so heavy under all the little things that it collapses. i would say i thought it was interesting heritage foundation really pushed back on by many conservatives and an interesting moment with jim demint, teeter tottered, considered siding with heritage. ruth, busy news day, but i don't want to leave you guys without mentioning this story which i was stunned is i think the word by. the irs admitted today that some workers, local workers, this is what we know of the story at this point targeted groups that had the words "tea party" or "patriots" during the 2012
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election. these are groups that the internal revenue service overseas many non-profit groups have become big in the political landscape. the dumbness of doing this to me is in some ways striking. the irs is criticized roundly or not actively enforcing what they should be but much less targeting groups based on no real evidence. your thoughts? >> you say dumbness, i say outrageous. the irs has to have an eye on these supposedly non-profit, non-partisan groups to make sure they're not engaging in political activity. prior to this my continuing complaint with the irs it doesn't do enough to make sure the nonprofit groups are engaging in political activity. the worst thing that the irs can do is make itself look political/ideological and to make it look like it's picking on some political groups and not
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others. that is terrible, it needs to be stop. i'd like to know more about how this happened and how it was discovered. at the same time i hope that we don't get the message irs hands off these groups because they are political committees by another name. >> i would say i mean, my hobby horse that i've been beating since way back when i worked for "roll call" newspaper and just trying to get these forms is the irs website in and of -- it's so hard to search and find these things, just simply that these groups exist much less what they're spending the money on. we know for a fact this is where so much of the money is being spent. mitch mcconnell, senate minority leader, alan, this is fascinating. statement he just put out. "today's acknowledgment by the obama administration that the irs did target consebive groups in the heat of last year's national election is not enough. today i call on the white house
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to conduct a transparent government-wide review aimed at assuring the american people that these thuggish practices are not under way at the irs or elsewhere in the administration against anyone regardless of their political views." it's a little long, sorry, but this is not something republicans are going to say whoopsie, that was an error, let's move on, correct? >> absolutely correct. i spent a lot of time with the tea party freshman class in 2010 when they came in. you know they came in with the deep seated suspicion about the federal government and reach and the ability that they have to get into so many things so this is just going to set off quite a bit, we're going to have all sorts of hearings on this. >> could the timing be worse for the administration on the heels of benghazi to now have this? >> and i don't want to stay too long but it is a remarkable admission. i want to talk about one other thing because i can't -- joe biden is endlessly fascinating to me.
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joe biden talked to "rolling stone" historian douglas brinkley wrote about it. everything, from what i've read of this interview, ruth, suggests that joe biden is sort of as full speed ahead as you can be full speed ahead three plus years before the 2016 election about running. am i misreading? >> no, and i think he probably wants to send that message also. >> no question. meeting with the president four, five hours a day. that's a lot of meetings. >> i was wondering about that addition there, seemed like an awful lot. >> four or five hours a day. >> sure, he wants it. it's his last chance and he's going for it and if the former secretary of state decides not to, that makes his path look a lot different. >> let me just switch a little from biden to rubio, he has staked a lot on this bill, how
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much is it too much as it relates to 2016. >> this is going to be a defining moment. he was brought up in the ranks of the tea party, they supported him incredibly throughout his run. >> charlie crist dropped out so he won it. >> his base helped get him there extremely conservative, now by staking this out you can imagine the blowback he's already been getting. if this thing goes through on the one hand, hey, you know. it helps him with hispanic voters, it's something long-term when you're looking at a national election probably puts him on better footing but if it doesn't work or even if he's -- >> i always say watch what ted cruz says and does. we know ted cruz wants to run for president and he's clearly staking out the other ground. >> exactly. >> alan, ruth, thank you. >> thank you. and right now we're watching the white house press briefing
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room where jay carney, the white house press secretary is expected to give his daily briefing at any moment. there will be a lot of benghazi questions, that i can assure you. you are watching msnbc. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs.
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a. as leaders in washington wrangle over what to do about syria, turkey's prime minister sat down for an interview with ann curry, she spoke to him about chemical weapons and the cost of the civil war next door. >> paving the way for a meeting with president obama next week, turkey's influential prime minister erdogan told us syria crossed the president's red line on chemical weapons a long time ago. >> translator: it is clear that the regime has used chemical weapons and missiles. >> can you tell us what kind of weapons have been used, how dangerous these weapons have been to civilian populations?
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>> different sizes of missiles, and then there are deaths caused by these missiles and there are burns, serious burns and chemical reactions. >> so has president assad crossed president obama's red line? >> translator: a long time ago. my question is, the united nations, the u.n. security council, are you doing what you are supposed to do? why do you examinist in the first place? what is your job? is there a deadline like they are not going to move on to 1 million people who are killed? >> will you encourage president obama to get involved directly in the situation in syria? >> translator: we want the united states to assume more responsibilities and take further steps. >> what is the just punishment for mr. assad in your view?
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what is your message to him today at this moment in history? >> translator: well i am saying that he should leave syria immedia immediately. sooner or later the opposition are going to get him, and i hope that his end does not be like gadha gadhafi's. >> that reference to former libyan ditaker moammar gadhafi who was killed by his own people. the prime minister didn't reveal what kind of chemical weapons his investigators report finding but he says his government is sharing the intelligence. the white house responded to his interview with us saying it does not yet have the evidence to say for certain whether the red line on chemical weapons has been crossed. ann curry, nbc news, istanbul. now back to cleveland, and the neighborhood character who's now a national hero, but charles ramsey told nbc's "nightline" he won't accept any rewards. >> all you have to do is make
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that check out to amanda berry. what else you got? any another reward? make them out to gina dejesus. what else you got? you go give that to michelle. what else you got? >> so you don't feel, you're not going to collect any money for this? >> if i could do this all over again, it would come up with the same happy ending. keep your money. >> nbc's craig melvin is in front of castro's house and he has some new and good information to tell us about one of the women who was held there for a decade. craig, nice to have some good news to report on this story. what do you have? >> reporter: it sure is, chris. we can tell you that michelle knight has been released from the hospital, that happened a short time ago, according to our affiliate here in cleveland, wkyc. michelle knight was the eldest of the three women taken captive and also the first woman taken
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captive. we have not heard from her but we did get a statement a short time ago from the hospital where she had been staying, metro health here in cleveland and it reads in part michelle knight is in good spirits and she's extremely grateful for the outpouring of flowers and gifts and thankful for the cleveland courage fund and asks everyone to please continue to respect her privacy at this time. at this point, chris, all three of the young women who were taken captive and held in the house behind me for roughly a decade, all three of them are out of the hospital. in fact, yesterday we spent some time talking to a family member of gina dejesus. take a look to what he had to say. >> she got up to give me her hand and all i did was grab her hand and kissed her hand and it was, you know, she was really, really underweight you know, and you could tell there was a lot of suffering.
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>> reporter: that was yesterday talking about gina dejesus returning home, amanda berry, of course, also has returned home. we heard yesterday from the cuyahoga county prosecutor he said that it was probably going to take some time for them to be able to talk to these three women again, because they need time obviously to heal and process and to become reacclimated with their families and civilization, quite frankly, chris? >> absolutely 100% understandable. craig, i want to ask you, i've heard just myself, my wife, other people who are obviously not in law enforcement, don't live in ohio but this was not in the woods. this was in a neighborhood. i can see it behind you. do we have any information on how for a decade three people as well as a little girl, a 6-year-old, were held captive literally. how could this happen, any more information coming on that? >> no. and here's the thing.
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that is the question that has been asked here all week, and we quite frankly haven't gotten a very good response other than to tell you, i'll give you a number of the responses that we've gotten, for instance yesterday, one of the city councilmembers said, you know, craig, take a look at the neighborhood. first of all in this block alone, there are eight either abandoned buildings, abandoned homes, boarded up homes or foreclosed homes. that's one reason. just despite the geography, it looks like there are a lot of houses behind me and there are but you don't have as many people living in this neighborhood as there once was. that's one problem. the second problem is sort of the geographic layout if you will of the castro home. it butts up against a commercial property, so there really wasn't a great way to see it in the backyard. there is a senior care facility that sort of sits diagonally and they really didn't have a good view and keep in mind according to police, ariel castro did an
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excellent job of guarding the door, if you will. folks didn't show up at his house unannounced. he had five locks on the doors, we've talked to a number of people who spent time inside that house and we talked to a guy yesterday who has been going to the house for 15 years. he said he had no idea these women were being kept in there. he saw the little girl at one point, castro introduces the 6-year-old as his granddaughter, so i don't know if we'll ever have a good answer to that question. i don't know if we'll ever know precisely how something like this could go unnoticed in a neighborhood in west cleveland for so long. >> just absolutely terrifying. craig i want to ask you one other thing which is, for folks who are sort of following us, can you give us the latest on where we stand in terms of the legal implications what mr. castro has been charged with, what we expect him to be charged with? where do we go on the legal front in regard to him from
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here? >> reporter: he has been officially charged. we don't know precisely how many charges he is facing because the prosecutor said yesterday he is looking at throwing not just the book but throwing the entire library at this guy. they're looking at being able to charge him with a number of deaths in connection to these miscarriages we've been hearing about. we've been hearing there were at least five miscarriages, looking at charging him in connection with those. bond was set at $8 million, he would have to come up with $800,000, that's not going to happen so he will likely remain in jail until there's a trial. if there is a trial. i mean, we've talked to some folks close to the investigation who have indicated that castro is cooperating right now in hopes of perhaps avoiding the death penalty. i mean, keep in mind he waived miranda. there is that suicide note that was found. there is the interrogation that we've been hearing a lot about.
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there is according to police at this particular point, there is a mountain of evidence. they took some 200 pieces of evidence according to the police, 200 pieces of evidence outside the house behind me and they also have the testimony from those three young victims. one of the reasons that they're saying they may not want this to go to trial, of course, is that if there is a trial, we would have to hear from amanda berry, from gina dejesus, from michelle knight, they would have to get on the stand and recount ten years of absolute terror, absolute horror. >> craig melvin bringing us some good news out of cleveland. michelle knight leaving the hospital, thanks. which political story will make headlines in the next 24 hours? that's next on "andrea mitchell rorz." i'm a firefighter. i'm a carpenter. i'm an accountant. a mechanical engineer. and i shop at walmart. truth is, over sixty percent of america shops at walmart every month. i find what i need, at a great price.
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as we continue to monitor the white house press briefing for news about benghazi, we turn to which political story will be headlines in the next 24 hours.
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my feeling is it is benghazi. we've talked a lot about it and we'll talk more about it. but the president trying to resell, restart, i don't know what the word is, health care. one of the major legislative accomplishments in his first term giving a speech this afternoon. >> the white house is very nervous. with good reason. about the rollout of health care. people don't know it's law, don't know it passed, don't know what's in it. think that the supreme court overturned it. think that congress repealed it of but many of them, most of them actually kind of know they don't like it. i have a sense and this could turn out to be a wacko thing to say to quote our friend, that it will end up being no big deal, health care, in this sense. most of us aren't going to be affected. you have health care through the "washington post." i have health care through the federal employee benefits
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program because my husband was a federal employee for a long time. our health care isn't really affected. there are a small number of people who will be required to purchase insurance who don't have it now. it will become available on exchanges. >> you're right. but as you know -- >> are you saying wacko bird? >> let's say thank you. >> this didn't happen on your watch. i know you've pointed your chief of staff to investigate. we don't have the results yet. can you reassure the american people that there was not a politically motivated cover-up? >> andrea, i obviously was on the road all of last week. i didn't see the hearings but i followed them and i'm getting a summary report of everything that's taken place. what i've seen thus far, i have to tell you after all of the hearings that i took part in as chairman of the foreign relations committee, all of the briefings that i took part in, many of which were classified.
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i really haven't learned anything new. what we know is that four very courageous americans, all of whom were out there on the front lines trying to affect our relationship with another country and help people to be free and to enjoy what we enjoy, they lost their lives. it was a terrorist attack. we all understand that. and we know that people behaved courageously. i respect that the people who spoke up in the course of these hearings. you know, they were there. they felt the horror of that terrorist attack. and obviously it is emotional. but so is losing our ambassador. so is losing two members of our former armed forces who were providing security. and so is losing our employee who was there doing an extraordinary job on communications.
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we run risks everywhere in the world. we have our friend here who served, a colonel who served in afghanistan who knows through the years the risks we take abroad. but america can never cower. america can never hide and run away from our responsibility to try to advance human rights, build relationships with other countries, try to provide people a vision of what life can be like in a strong democracy, in a place where women are participants in society. not hidden and pushed away. there are so many values that we are struggling to try to carry out to the world in many different ways. and to bring it to a more prozaic place, we are living in a very new global marketplace where relationships with countries also mean jobs.
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jobs for our people, job for other people in the world. and it means -- >> that is secretary of state john kerry in an interview with andrea mitchell. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." you can check out the rest of her google hangout on the state department's google plus page. my colleague has a look at what's next on "news nation." [ phil ] when you have joint pain and stiffness... accomplishing even little things can become major victories. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. when i was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, my rheumatologist prescribed enbrel
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i'm in for tamron hall. the news nation is following news on how the obama administration handled the talking points in the aftermath of the attacks on the consulate in benghazi. congressional sources tell nbc news a new report by house republicans has found that 12 iterations of the talking points were made over one two-hour period. the changes were from minor word adjustments to major


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